Attentive Listening
By Charles Rush
January 30, 2011
Lk. 10: 38-42 - Martha and Mary
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the last few months, I've read several reflections by people my age writing about adolescence in the 70's. More than one of them have only a vague recollection of their parents divorcing. What they remember is hanging out in the basement or the rec room, hearing adults screaming at each other, only to be left a few months later, pretty much to raise themselves through the end of high school while their parents were off on some quest for self-discovery.
I was a
sometime waiter during this period. Occasionally you would see a couple in the
restaurant. They would order drinks, dinner, and they would sit there sipping
their drinks, staring blankly into space. They never smiled. They never talked
to each other. It was like they had been splashed with a perfume Malaise. It
filled me with a deep dread and I half wondered if I might end up like that half pickled,
half bored, alienated from myself and my spouse at mid-life.
I am glad to
report, at mid-life, that it need not be that way. But, I had the benefit of
education on the subject of listening attentively in counseling courses in
Divinity school. It is not surprising that we would teach the skills of
listening when you think about it because there is something about listening
that is an intrinsic part of compassion.
I know that when I try to imagine what Jesus
must have been like in actual history, I imagine him as a man that had a rather
intense compassion. By all accounts, not just the Bible, he had a compassion
for women, for slaves, for lepers, for poor people. He engaged them all. We
really can't know what those engagements were like. We only have these indirect
stories like this one. Jesus enters a home and is having a discussion,
the women are included, which would have happened about as often in Jesus' time
as it happens today in Egypt, almost never. You probably noticed that there are
literally no women on the streets of Cairo in protest.
One of the
women, Martha, is doing the normal duties that were expected of women in that
patriarchal world, being the hostess. The other is in the discussion. Then as
now, Martha complains that she is doing all the work. But Jesus commends Mary
for engaging in the discussion. He blessed her in public, a thing simply never
done in that social world. So, you have to imagine that Jesus was one of those
leaders about whom people say, ‘when I spoke to him, it was like I was the only
person in the world'. Truly transformative leaders have that quality about
them. They engage people deeply.
It is said
that Mohandas Gandhi had that quality. It is said that Bobby Kennedy had that
quality. Something happened to Bobby Kennedy after his brother died that
appears to have been a rather profound spiritual transformation. It can happen.
In the PBS documentary on his life, he was in Mississippi listening to
sharecroppers talk about the plight of poverty and ignorance, and his staffers
kept urging him to get in the car so they could make the next campaign stop.
They were a bunch of earnest white law students from Yale and Harvard. One of
them said, exasperated, ‘Your people are waiting for
you an hour from here.' Bobby Kennedy finished his conversation with a few
sharecropper families on the front porch of their falling down house, then he turned
back to his staff and said, ‘You don't understand, these are my people'. The
staffers later remembered that moment as very moving because it was apparent to
them that Bobby Kennedy wasn't just running for office, he was genuinely
empathetic, interested and was becoming a servant leader, a model rare then,
and rare now.
What a
moving thing for people who have long been ignored or marginalized to feel like
someone paid attention to them and listened to them. You know how you feel when
people really listen to you? Like you matter…
We could use
better listening in our world couldn't we? It turns out that, anecdotally, the
number one reason that women cite for divorce is that their husbands didn't
listen to them.
Professor
Deborah Tannen was addressing “a small gathering in a
suburban Virginia living room -- a women's group that had invited men to join
them. Throughout the evening, one man had been particularly talkative,
frequently offering ideas and anecdotes, while his wife sat silently beside him
on the couch. Toward the end of the evening, [Professor Tannen]
commented that women frequently complain that their husbands don't talk to
them. This man quickly concurred. He gestured toward his wife and said,
"She's the talker in our family." The room burst into laughter; the
man looked puzzled and hurt. "It's true," he explained. "When I
come home from work I have nothing to say. If she didn't keep the conversation
going, we'd spend the whole evening in silence."
This episode
crystallizes the irony that although American men tend to talk more than women
in public situations, they often talk less at home. And this pattern does not
help in producing healthy whole relationships. [i]
As you might
imagine, researchers believe that a good deal of the difference is gender
related. Says Professor Tannen, “For women, as for girls, intimacy is the fabric of
relationships, and talk is the thread from which it is woven. Little girls
create and maintain friendships by exchanging secrets; similarly, women regard
conversation as the cornerstone of friendship. So a woman expects her husband
to be a new and improved version of a best friend. What is important is not the
individual subjects that are discussed but the sense of closeness, of a life
shared, that emerges when people tell their thoughts, feelings, and
impressions.
“Bonds
between boys can be as intense as girls', but they are based less on talking,
more on doing things together. [like walking down the
fairway together, some talk but not too much please]. Since they don't assume
talk is the cement that binds a relationship, men don't know what kind of talk
women want, and they don't miss it when it isn't there.
“Boys'
groups [on the playground] are larger, more inclusive, and more hierarchical,
so boys must struggle to avoid the subordinate position in the group. This may
play a role in women's complaints that men don't listen to them. Some men
really don't like to listen, because being the listener makes them feel
one-down, like a child listening to adults or an employee to a boss.”[ii]
Listening
attentively is just one of those things that keeps us
emotionally attuned and empathetic. It is not just hearing,
it is also being able to read non-verbal cues. We've initially studied some
7,000 couples from 18 countries and found that ‘the benefits of being able to
read non-verbal cues include ‘being better emotionally adjusted, more popular,
more outgoing, and – perhaps not surprisingly- more sensitive. In general,
women are better than men at this kind of empathy. And those people that… show
they have a talent for picking up empathy skills- also had better relationships
with the opposite sex. Empathy, it should be no surprise to learn, helps a
great deal with your romantic life.”[iii]
Actually,
when we did the research on couples and their love life by actually taping ordinary
conversations that they have with one another, what we found was that couples
with really solid romantic lives had very little correlation with how hot they are, not that there is anything
wrong with looking good.
No, the best
correlation turned out to reside in the most pedestrian place, in the hours and
hours of simple conversation, like two people reading the paper. One of them
looks out the window and says, “Wow, look at the size of that hawk flying
overhead.” And the spouse says, “Yeah, it reminds me of the one we saw at the
beach earlier in the summer. I wonder what kind of hawk it is?”
We have hours
and hours of very ordinary, somewhat boring tape. But researchers figured out
that “when couples engage in lots of chitchat like this, [you] can be pretty
sure that they will stay happily married. What is really happening in these
brief exchanges is that the husband and wife are connecting- they are turning
toward each other. In couples who go on to divorce or who live together
unhappily, such small moments of connection are rare. More often the wife
doesn't even look up from her magazine- and if she does, her husband doesn't
acknowledge what she says.”[iv]
It turns out
that these mundane exchanges are more important than you know. Your spouse
calls you on your cell phone because you are shopping for dinner that night and
your spouse is on her way home from the commute. She says, “you
know, I think we might be out of eggs.” And your winning answer is something
like, “I'm not sure about that but, just to be sure, I'll pick some up.”
You can
spend a huge amount of money wooing your spouse, jetting away to the Bahamas'
right about now, and setting up dinner by the crisp green ocean, but this is a
lot cheaper, and it actually works better.
Your spouse
calls you in the middle of the day to complain about a major headache at work
and you are in the middle of a meeting. Your insightful response is “Honey,
this is not a good time for me. Can you give me the 30 second version so we can
talk about it tonight?”
Professor
John Gottman, who has 20 years of tape
now, calls these exchanges, ‘bids'. Your spouse needs “some attention,
affection, humor, or support.” And your response is either to turn towards them
or to turn away.
He loves
these episodes because now he knows. Great romance is not actually to be found
in Brad Pitt wrestling Penelope Cruz on the beach, although that would be a
great piece of tape. He says, “my favorite scenes are
the very ones that any Hollywood film editor would relegate to the cutting
floor. I know there's deep drama in the little moments: Will they read the
Sunday paper together or silently alone? Will they chat while eating lunch?
Watching them is suspenseful because I know: Couples who turn toward each other
remain emotionally engaged and stay married. Those that don't
eventually lose their way.”[v]
What we are
doing here is making a deposit in our emotional bank account. The more you put
in, the more have to draw upon in the future. How is your spouse doing on their
deposits? How you answer that likely tells you quite a bit about your
relationship at the moment. “In one research study… happy couples noticed
almost all the positive things that their partners did. Unhappy couples underestimated
their partners' loving intentions by 50%.”[vi]
You know the
cycle of your day and week. You have to figure out how and where is a time you
can listen to your spouse (or your good friends) and let them unpack what they
are going through at the moment. Obviously, this can't be manipulative, it has
to be genuine. But like a lot of things in life, just start doing it and your
interest in it will emerge from doing.
Show
interest in them. Communicate that you understand what they are going through.
Don't give advice, especially not if you are a man. (Men have a noticeable
tendency to jump in too quickly) Your spouse does not need you to solve their
problems. But what they do need you to do is take their side for a bit. There
is a time for advice and criticism that your spouse can hear and it is only
after, probably a fairly good bit after, you have made clear you understand and
support their cause. Part of attentive listening with your spouse especially-
is about solidarity. It is about the two of your taking on the world together.
You have their back. You are in their corner. So be affectionate and validate
their emotions. You are trying to soothe them to some extent and support them.
That is the object.
So this is
how we don't do it. This is the way it goes when we are not emotionally attuned
to our spouse. And all of our closest relationships with our spouses, our
extended family, have good days and bad days. This is one of Bob's bad days. He
is just not clicking.
Sara walks in the kitchen and says to Bob, “I
had another terrible meeting with Shannon today. She keeps challenging my
knowledge, and she's been going to the boss telling her that she doubts my
competence. I hate her.
Bob: It sounds like
another example of you flying off the handle and overreacting (Criticizing) I've seen her be very
constructive and reasonable. Maybe you are just not being sensitive to her
concerns (Advice giving that sides with the enemy).
Sara: The woman is
out to get me.
Bob: That is your
paranoid streak coming out. You've gotta get a handle
on that (More criticism)
Sara: Oh, forget it
as she pours a glass of wine and walks into the other room to turn on the TV
Emotionally
out of tune, not a helpful mode of listening, and not going to get you where
you want to go either. Sometimes we are just off.
What does it
look like when we are on? What does it look like when we left our spouse blow
off some team and give them some emotional resonance, a little solidarity with
their feelings? It looks a little more like this. Sara comes into the kitchen.
Sara: I had another
terrible meeting with Shannon today. She keeps challenging my knowledge, and
she's been going to the boss telling her that she doubts my competence. I hate
her.
Bob: I can't believe
that woman. She fights mean and she is a gossip (We against them) What did you say to her
in the meeting? (expresses genuine interest and concern so they can
unpack)
Sara: I told her that
she is just out to get me and that it won't succeed.
Bob: Those actions
could make anyone paranoid. I'm sorry she is putting you through this. (Express a little affection). I'd like to
get even with her too. (more “We against them”)
Sara: So would I, but
I think I just have to ignore her and forget about it.
Bob: Your boss has to
know what she is like. Everyone else does.
Sara: That is true.
The boss doesn't say much about it but she goes around telling everyone that
they are incompetent but her.
Bob: That has to
backfire.
Sara: I hope so or
I'm going to get an ulcer.
Bob: This is
stressing you out! I can understand why (Validating
emotions). You know she has to be giving her husband an ulcer.
Sara: Good Lord!
Pour a
drink, perhaps, change the subject and move towards a pleasant dinner.
Mission
accomplished. Your spouse has been heard. You've turned toward them, listened
and expressed solidarity. Now they can turn towards some other things. You know
and I know that most of the distance that we develop in our relationships is
not so much malicious as it is just mindless inattention that takes your spouse
for granted.[vii]
But the
responsiveness and intimacy that comes from paying genuine attention is fairly
profound. And if you grew up in a household like I did, you may have never
heard a conversation modeled like the one I just recounted in your entire youth.
I can't really remember much of the communication from the previous generation,
in part, because it fairly closely resembled non-stop bickering, and not just
in my home either. They have loved each other but they made each other
miserable. Thinking back on it, I want to ask like Dr. Phil, “How was that
working for you?”
Not well. At
the time, we were more interested in control than intimacy and we were
surrounded by a culture of leadership where only one person is in the drivers seat as you can see on any
episode of “Mad Men”. We have made great strides in another principle that
researchers have discovered in solid marriages and it is this, “let your
partner influence you.”
We used to
be over-defined by a style of leadership drawn from the likes of George C.
Scott's Patton, with a forceful will, solid self-direction, driven more from
the top down. Our coaches adopted that style and there was a corporate version as
well. It was long on independence but it sacrificed intimacy unwittingly.
We've evolved
positively and we've figured out that leadership gets even better when you have
leaders that are effective at making a personal connection. They know how to be
a contributing team player and can coordinate a group. They network people and
help others discover what they bring to the table, so they can focus on what
they do best principally. They are skilled at mediating conflicts and working
through a problem so that everyone owns the solution. They understand what
motivates other people and can develop a sense of rapport.[viii]
All of these
qualities that make for a strong emotional quotient mitigate some of the
over-control of our earlier models of leadership. It is less about having
expertise that is imposed and more about coordinating a group to discover their
goals and own their part in the future solution.
Now when we
think about respect, it entails a sense of allowing ourselves to be influence
by our spouse in a deeper fuller way. It is about being an attentive listener.
It is about being a compassionate presence.
In the
Bible, when you are emotionally, spiritually, morally clueless they have an
expression for you. Jesus used it too. “Seeing, they do not see. Hearing, they
do not hear.” They are not getting it, not for lack of factual presentation but
because they are not tuned in.
Right now,
we are witnessing a painful example of this on a social leader. I was listening
to Hosni Mubarak's speech to the nation, after the whole day and night of
protest that could degrade to revolution. He had all the government resign
except him. “Seeing, they do not see. Hearing, they do not hear.” Like Nicholas
Ceausescu from an earlier era of dictator in Romania, the only one who doesn't
see that Mubarak is finished is Mubarak. How's that working for you.
Our world is
evolving rapidly and so will our societies. The pressure to become democratic
will rise from the bottom up the world over because people demand to be heard.
They demand to own their future and have a stake in their collective life. They
demand… respect.
Listening,
attentive listening will become woven into the fabric of our solid social
lives, not just with our spouse, not just with our families, but as a pervasive
quality of effective leadership at work, in politics, in our communities…
especially in our Facebook movement's. They are
connecting people, giving more people a voice, and with that a sense of dignity
that unleashes the deeper human potential.
The
beautiful thing is, we can all get better at
listening. We can all bless others. And if we can create that sense of
ownership, that we are all part of this team and we are invested in it, we can
do great things and endure difficulty to the end. And all the time, we will be
tracking towards one of the fundamental keys of joy and fulfillment that this life
has to offer. Engage your better self.
And trust
me, when I get home today, one of my grandchildren will ask what the sermon was
about and my wife will say, “It was about Jesus”. Good luck next week. Amen.
[i] “Sex, Lies and
Conversation; Why Is It So Hard for Men and Women to Talk to Each Other?” by
Deborah Tannen in The
Washington Post, June 24, 1990.
[ii]
Ibid.
[iii]
Daniel Goleman, “Emotional Intelligence” (New York:
Bantam, 1995, p. 97.
[iv] Gottman, John and Nan Silver, The Seven Principles for
Making Marriage Work (New
York: Three Rivers Press, 1999), p. 79.
[v] Ibid. p. 80.
[vi] Ibid. p. 84.
[vii] Ibid. p. 92.
[viii]
Goleman, p. 118.
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